LilSparky's Workshop

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LilSparky's Workshop adds auction-derived pricing information for trade skills right into the trade skill recipe frame. Each skill is evaluated for material costs and potential value of the item created. These two numbers are listed next to each skill in an easy-to-read format.

Supported Auction Scanners:

Auctioneer
AuctionLite
AuctionMaster
Auctionator

Optionally Requires:

Informant (for vendor availability)

LibPeriodicTable (for vendor availability)

Trade Skill Interfaces Supported:

GnomeWorks
AdvancedTradeSkillWindow
Skillet
Blizzard's Standard UI
Doublewide Tradeskills
Tradeskill HD

Auction pricing models can be selected by right-clicking either the value column or the cost column (each can have a different pricing method attached).

The Value column can be left clicked to cycle through the different valuation methods for the resultant item: Auction Value (a), Vendor Value (v), Disenchant Value (d) or the greatest of the three different values (the default). Any instance of an item Value being greater than the Cost to create it will have a highlighted Value entry. Optionally, the Value column can be displayed as a percentage of the Cost column.

The Cost column simply sums up the costs for each reagent and reports the total.

Both columns can be combined into a single "Profit" column which simply reflects the Value minus the Cost.

Tooltips for each column give more details about the price breakdowns LSW is considering.

A note regarding vendor availability:

LSW utilizes supplied item databases to determine when an item is readily available from a vendor. Occasionally this may not be accurate, usually because the item is a trade in for another item and not buyable with gold. I have provided a simple way to over-ride the vendor database:

/script LSWConfig.vendorOverride[item#] = (true/false/nil)

The item# is the item ID for the specific item. It is a single number. For example, 2589 is Linen Cloth.
Setting the value to "true" means the item is available at the vendor.
Setting the value to "false" means the item is not available at the vendor.
Setting the value to "nil" means to use the provided databse.

There is now also a right-click option to override the vendor availability and also to hand enter specific prices for items.

A note about frame/auction support:

LSW utilizes a plug in scheme to handle support to handle pricing and frame support. I am unlikely to add additional plugins directly into LSW. The goal of the plugin system is to provide basic templates that other addon authors could employ to provide LSW support on their end while at the same time providing functionality for a base set of common mods. Addon authors are free to contact me regarding the plugin system if issues arise or the system doens't make sense.

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Posted Feb 28, 2009
hope to spend some time on on it soon!

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Posted Feb 27, 2009
How is development going? I'm anxiously awaiting the ability to show "Profit" as another option in addition to "Best Value", etc.

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Posted Feb 28, 2009
what does the pricing tooltip say? does it give any other values?

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Posted Feb 26, 2009
for some reason LSW won't show AH pricing in my prof windows, I'm also running Auc, Informant and even Enchatrix; but even when I scan the AH LSW will only show the Vendor value of all craftables, no AH value or even Disenchant Value

I've tried looking around for an answer but can't find one

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Posted Feb 28, 2009
it shows vendor prices, but that's it. I scan the AH but that's the only pricing it will show

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Posted Mar 14, 2009
Here's a list of the exact modules you need to use this with Auctioneer:

Auc-Auctioneer (core)
Auc:ScanData
any stat modules (eg. Auc:Stat:Std Deviation) you use for LSW's prices -- if you use Market you'll need to enable every stat module that gets factored in (which depends on your Auctioneer settings)

Enchantrix -- for disenchant values
Informant -- for vendor prices
Stubby -- necessary to load Auctioneer

And LSW of course.

Enchantrix uses the Auctioneer modules to determine DE value, so you'll need to make sure the modules it uses are loaded too (default is StdDev)

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Posted Feb 26, 2009
Could you make a section in the notes about what is the minimum requirement to support? For example you list many supported auction scanners. I use acutioneer auc-adv. That comes with many supplimentary addons. Now I do not want to load all the addons for auc-adv for all my alts just so I can use this addon. My banking toon has them all loaded but I do not need all the fancy bits for my alts. I am guessing but only a few supplimentaries are required. Any chance of helping me and surely many other users of auctioneer out?

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Posted Feb 21, 2009
i'll have to check that out. a few months back, i had a conversation with a guy who was saying the skill up% was simply linear like that, but i dunno how true it is. i wrote a skill up tracker to help me figure it out, but i don't skill up enough to have much data. :)
i'd love to factor that in, tho. cost * skillup% = cheapest way to get a point (of course, it's all probabilities so it's not a lock).

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Posted Feb 21, 2009
It would be really nice to see an option to sort by probability of getting a skill point and/or estimated cost per skill point. Over at EJ, there was a discussion which suggested that to determine the probability of getting a skill point, one simply does (gray - current)/(gray - yellow) for given recipe.

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Posted Feb 20, 2009
just a heads up i am using it w my LW and when calculating the cost of rune thread it's going by ah prices which is really screwing things up, but all in all i am very impressed good job

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Posted Feb 22, 2009
download LibPeriodicTable and lsw will use the vendor item tables to make sure to use vendor prices for those items instead of ah prices.

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Posted Feb 19, 2009
I think I have just had a useful idea. Goes like this.
You mentioned changing the popup to a frame attached to the tradeskill window. If this 'side' frame could be toggled on an off from the tradeskill window prehaps and made static then we would initailly see all the stuff that was in the popup. So thats purchase breakdown and sale price which are two columns in the tradeskill window at the moment. Why not add the level info there to this 'side' frame.
Benefits: Only one set of codeing needed for 'side' frame rather than a few to manipulate what you see in the tradeskill window.
More room in the tradeskill window, allowing larger fonts! Yeay!
Draw backs might be that the info in the 'side' frame only appears when you mouse over or highlight/focus that item in the tradeskill window.
A '*' could be added to those items that can be made to sell at a profit in the tradeskill list, alerting the user to check out the info in the 'side' frame.
Hope this makes sense and is helpful. :)

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Posted Feb 20, 2009
lsw doesn't do any pricing on its own. it relies explicitly on auction scanning tools to provide price information. if you don't like the market price module, try the other modules (right-click on the cost or value column) -- see if one works better for your purposes.

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Posted Feb 18, 2009
you can select a different pricing module which might better reflect current prices. the "market value" is generally the best guess, but if you don't have a lot of scans then it could be way off. i suppose if you mouse over the item to get a tooltip for it and the various auctioneer module prices are all over the map, you might want to look at the ah to see what's what.

if there's not a module that specifically lists current prices, i think i can add that without too much difficulty. perhaps in the pricing tooltip...

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Posted Feb 16, 2009
I have a quick question about the addon. Is there anyway to have it display the price my auctioneer would put the item up for auction and not the supposed "market value". The problem is after a quick auction scan it told me that making sun scopes would cost 63 gold, but would sell for 120g. Sounds great so I go and make four with the mats from auction. However when I go to put them up there are a ton up for as low as 35g. Almost a 30g loss PER item. If it had shown the price I'd have to auction it for and not the so called "market" price it would have saved me the gold and trouble. As it is if there is no way to accomplish this than I'll just reserve to check the particular item on auction before I buy the mats and make them at cost. All in all a great addon, thanks for your time and hard work. ^^

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Posted Feb 17, 2009
Sounds like you need to adjust your Auctioneer pricing system to take into consideration these cheaper items.

Specifically, I'd try going into the Auctioneer config -> Undercut -> Max under market price down to -50% or so.

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Posted Feb 22, 2009
i'll look into how i might implement this.

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Posted Feb 20, 2009
This is exactly right. Thank you for better explaining what I was trying to convey. >.>

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Posted Feb 18, 2009
The problem is that what auctioneer says is the "market value" is really the "average" value based on every scan. So if you've been scanning for months, the values simply aren't accurate for current prices. For example, the workshop says if I buy a+b+c to create d, I'll make x profit. Well the problem is that the price it has listed for x never seems to be accurate. If I buy a+b+c and create d, then go to the auction, it will show that there is actually a ton of d up already, and for my d to sell, it has to be undercut a ton, which does not reflect the actual so called "market" value of d. I'm not sure why the addon isn't catching this, as I can do a scan immediately before checking what the workshop says will profit me based on current data. As for Bury, thanks for the tip but I have auctioneer already set up along those lines, and that's kind of the problem, the workshop doesn't display my undercut pricing model needed to SELL the item, only what others are selling it for, which could be WAY lower depending on how many of D are up for auction. I hope this better explains what I mean...

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Posted Feb 26, 2009
I don't think the pricing module can help. or are you saying this will reflect in your mod somehow with a price of 0?

If not, I'd have to enter the name of the glyph in the auctioneer searcher, and that would take me even longer to do searches that way then just searching for them each manually. That's the whole point is I don't want to search all of my glyph recipes.

Thanks

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